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Mitt Misses The Point. Or Does He?

In anticipation of Mitt Romney's clear-the-air-about-the-cult-err-church-I-belong-to speech I thought of the legitimate questions many Americans may have for Mitt. I don't mean the kind of questions that have no bearing on his potential presidency like, "How do you explain the recent shift in the LDS Church's position on the origins of the American Indians?"

Discussion like that is certainly of interest to me but is, in no way, relevant to Romney the candidate. No, instead I have two questions for Romney following yesterday's speech.

1) If your church membership were in jeopardy because of your public position on a national issue being in contrast to that of LDS church leadership, would you change your position to save your membership?

2) Would your statement about the oath of office being your "highest promise to God" trump any promises you made in the Mormon temple?

i think these are the real, legitimate issues of concern with any voter who may have a concern. Anybody who has spent any time following Utah politics is aware of the LDS Church's active, visible and deliberate influence in politics. But Romney failed to even acknowledge those concerns and thereby completely failed to address them.

That's because Romney is politically savvy. He knows that getting even a tiny bit specific about his church's off-center doctrine and policies would be political suicide. Let alone if he were to address some of the really-way-out-there stuff. And he also knows that, at least at this point in the campaign, he doesn't need to. His audience yesterday was not the average American voter.

In fact, I'm not certain the average American voter has any concerns about his Mormonism except that most find the whole thing a bit strange. Come to think of it, the only time I ever hear Romney's faith come up is when he himself brings it up. It is as if he holds it up as the single issue he is able to successfully address time after time. A straw man, of sorts.

So who was his audience? The evangelical right. His own party. Those who want a Christian crusader to pick up the baton from George W. and whose influence virtually assures the opportunity to hand-pick the Republican nominee. They want to hear Romney say that he stands for the same things they do.

And he did say that. Or at least he put himself in a position to be immune from criticism about the issue. He did this by doing what he does best... by restating the concern to something slightly different that he can then answer to everyone's satisfaction. He plays offense and makes it look like defense.

It's like this...

Someone asks, "How will your faith influence your policy as a potential president?"

He says, "So, you're asking me if I am a person of faith... let me assure you, I am."

Well played, my friend... well, played.

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Depends where you are
Submitted by Amber Lee (not verified) on December 9, 2007 - 1:21pm.

I have been assuming that Mitt will not make it to presidency because he is Mormon. I thought it was an accepted view in the states that Mormonism is creepy, but could that simply be something we're taught in the southern states? The standard belief here is to always be on your guard about Mormons. I think some people might believe their brains will be sucked out by them. I'm not sure really. I also went to a creepy Baptist school for junior high and we had to watch videos on how to defend ourselves against Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.

So my assumption that most people think Mormonism is a scary scary cult is wrong?

I should write a post on the Mormon videos we had to watch. They were horrifying. Something about how Mormon leaders kill people for talking. Like the mafia.

Submitted by Pete on December 10, 2007 - 4:56pm.

I'd say that that kind of institutionalized fear-monging is just has hateful and dangerous as anything Mormonism teaches.

As for there being any truth to it... There was, at a time, a belief in what Brigham Young called Blood Atonement. There are rumors and stories about apostates and dissenters being killed for their own good but nothing more than rumors, really. It certainly was taught, which is dangerous enough, but there's nothing substantiated about it actually being done.

I think there are a lot of dangerous beliefs in Mormonism. Especially in regards to gender, race and sexual equality. Free-thinking is certainly discouraged and many have been excommunicated for publicly expressing dissent or disagreement. There are also a good number of really "out there" beliefs in regards to the nature of God, heaven, etc. But I'd say certainly nothing more or less kooky than Evangelical Christianity... just different.

That alone is probably enough to keep him from the nomination though.

Submitted by Amber Lee (not verified) on December 11, 2007 - 9:29am.

My school probably would have looked upon the SBC as being liberal. My parents didn't realize this when they sent me there.

i disagree...
Submitted by jess (not verified) on December 9, 2007 - 11:41pm.

mitt isn't the only one who brings up his faith...his opponents do and so does the media.

most people who have problems with mormonism have problems with the polygamy and the secrecy of the temple "doings" and i'm not sure he really needs to address those items to show he could be an effective leader.

An Honest Q about Mitt, Mormonism and the Presidency
Submitted by Eddie (not verified) on December 10, 2007 - 2:36pm.

Something I've read lately said that the LDS church believes that the Jews will eventually find their 'homeland' in the US, possibly Missouri.

Assuming this is true, and with all due respect to everyone involved, wouldn't this idea of an American home for the children of Israel somehow spill over into the US foreign policy if the president were LDS?

Submitted by Pete on December 10, 2007 - 4:59pm.

More specifically, they teach that they are the modern Israelite bloodline and that the tribes will be reassembled through Mormonism with an eventual Zion in Jackson County, MO.

The fact is, most Mormons don't still take seriously the idea that they will one day relocate to Missouri and for a blissful Zion. Though it has been only in my lifetime that such a belief has been downplayed.

As for it influencing policy... not a chance. That belief doesn't involve the actual Jews living in Israel as much as it is about Mormons as the modern chosen people.

Look at the bigger picture. . .
Submitted by Keithbaby (not verified) on December 10, 2007 - 7:30pm.

Pete:

I live in Atlanta, deep in the Southern Baptist bible belt and I was raised as a Catholic. Let me tell ya, the Southern Baptists are even wackier than the Mormons except they don't wear funny underwear or have secret ceremonies.

Now, what scares me is that whack-job candidate Huckabee that was in SLC yesterday saying that Christ moved him up in the poles. What a kook! This cat is an ordain Southern Baptist minister! The country should be scared to death of this idiot.

Evangelicals scare the shit out of me, anyway. They are no better than the Islamic fundamentalists that want to shove their brand of religion down the throat of the US citizens.

I'm a Mitt supporter and have been long before he announced his candidacy. If anything, Mitt stays away from the religious issue. It's the press and the bible-thumping evangelicals that make his religion a target. Look, they have to find something to bring him down.

Mitt may be the best presidential hopeful to come along in our lifetime. He's a Harvard educated lawyer, smart, self-made and independently wealthy (he doesn't need to pander to special interest groups). On top of everything else, he truly is a decent man. By the way, he is the only republican running that hasn't been divorced.

While he was governor of Massachusetts, I can't ever remember Gordon B. Hinckley calling him up to advise him on running the state.

Most people outside the Western US really don't know that much about the Mormons. There is so much misinformation spread by the religious right--Mormons are all polygamists and worship the devil--that sort of thing. Down here in the bible belt, these dumb fuckers will believe anything.

I feel that Mitt's speech cleared the air and will hopefully keep some of the heat away from him. In my opinion, it's the press that's focusing on his religious beliefs--not Mitt.

Every candidate has personal
Submitted by chosha (not verified) on December 11, 2007 - 12:58am.

Every candidate has personal beliefs. Lots of US candidates have very religion-based moral platforms that they spout on about constantly. And the Mormon church’s core beliefs do include religious freedom for all.

It’s all so silly. He’s just going to be a typical conservative just like all the rest. It’s not like there’s some wacky secret agenda the church has him working on – Mormon voters are pretty darn predictable in terms of all the normal issues conservatives and liberals differ on. People keep talking like Romney is soooo very unpredictable because he’s a Mormon, when in practical terms it means nothing. He’s a conservative – if THAT bothers you, fine. But you are way overplaying the importance of him being a different denomination to the rest of the Christian right.

As for your question as regards his oath, it’s not like the two are somehow mutually exclusive – no matter what the wording might be. They all say the words, but they all also understand the business they’re in. Look at the Catholic presidents the US has had. The Catholic church has a massive influence in the lives and personal views of its practicing members – did it stop those presidents from doing their job? No. If anything it affected their initial platform, which is exactly the case now with Romney. What surprises do you think are coming, and how do you think he will make them happen all on his own? The processes of government will still exist and I’m sure he’s perfectly aware that doing something radical and unprecedented will simply limit his stay to one term. Again, this carry on is just unfounded over-reaction. And while I am a Mormon, I say this as a person who (if I lived in the US) would NOT be voting for Mitt Romney, because I would never vote Republican.

And in the end, he’s surely got to be able to a better job than the oaf you have there now. It’s not like it’d be hard.

Submitted by Pete on December 11, 2007 - 10:10am.

You make some excellent points. Let me address a couple of them...

For the most part I would expect no surprises from Romney. However, the Mormon church does have a history of wielding political influence where and how it can. It also has a history of dramatic and sudden shifts in position on social issues. If they wanted to, they certainly could wield influence on Romney. I think the chances of that are slim and, really, this is not an article about MY concerns so much as the questions I think he is being asked and failed to answer.

You make the point that I am "way overplaying the importance of him being a different denomination to the rest of the Christian right."

On the contrary. I am saying that the Christian right is way overplaying that there is a difference. In my mind, all of the religious right, including Baptists, Mormons, Evangelicals and the whole lot of them look about the same to me from a religious point-of-view.

For what it's worth, Romney is on my short-list of candidates at this point. I like his administrative experience and I'm really not terribly afraid of his political ideology. The most pressing issue to our next President will be to clean up Iraq. Given Romney's history of taking over and cleaning up messes, I'd say he's more than qualified for the job.

New Here
Submitted by ALF (not verified) on December 11, 2007 - 9:32pm.

Found your site from dooce's - just stopped by to say hi!

Submitted by Pete on December 12, 2007 - 1:17pm.

Make yourself at home.

Well, here Mike Huckabee goes. . .
Submitted by keithbaby (not verified) on December 12, 2007 - 9:13am.

Check this out, I found it on Drudgreport.com:

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee, an ordained Southern Baptist minister, asks in an upcoming article, "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?"

"The article, to be published in Sunday's New York Times Magazine, says Huckabee asked the question after saying he believes Mormonism is a religion but doesn't know much about it. His rival Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, is a member of the Mormon church, which is known officially as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

See, it's the idiots on the religious right attacking Romney and his LDS faith. The shit storm has just started.

By the way, Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas, pardoned a convicted rapist because this low life "found Jesus." The rapist was released from a life sentence and six weeks later, he raped and killed a young girl.

And people really want this guy, a "man of religion," to be President?

Who in hell is Huckabee to judge Mitt Romney? This is why I can't stand the religious right. They think that God gave them the right to be judgmental.

The really interesting thing is that the press hasn't picked up on Huckabee's dealings with this rapist.

It makes me want to vomit.

Submitted by Pete on December 12, 2007 - 1:35pm.

I like how in one breath Huckabee says he doesn't want to get into another man's faith AND gets into it. The funny thing to me about it all is that they are very much the proverbial pot and kettle in this case.

The answer to his question, by the way, is yes, Mormon's do teach that Jesus and Satan (and everyone else, for that matter) are all spirit children of the same God. If you believe Brigham Young, that God is Adam. It gets confusing though because today's LDS church denies that Young ever taught such a thing.

As for the rapist-murderer Gov. Huckleberry set free... Huffington Post ran a story about it. The blogosphere is abuzz about it, in fact. It's hardly being ignored.

Submitted by Amber Lee (not verified) on December 12, 2007 - 9:55pm.

Orthodox Christian beliefs hold that Jesus is not created but is one being with the Father. So Satan is a created being, but Jesus is not. Also, Orthodox Christian belief doesn't believe in one particular being over all of evil. That's a fairly modern invention from translating Hebrew to Greek to Latin to English. In that order.

Submitted by Pete on December 12, 2007 - 10:50pm.

Objectively, one or the other sounds just as ridiculously fictional. You may as well be talking about Lord of the Rings characters.

Submitted by Amber Lee (not verified) on December 17, 2007 - 1:04pm.

It's always good to have the story and beliefs of a people down correctly, so I was just clarifying :D

Look at you over here
Submitted by BOSSY (not verified) on December 12, 2007 - 10:51am.

Look at you over here fighting the real fight, while Bossy is over at her place playing with Barbies.

Submitted by Pete on December 12, 2007 - 1:38pm.

Oh, we like Barbies here. Bratz Dolls too.

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